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Psychedelic Sensuality with Jessica Alfaqih – 109

October 31, 2023

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What can the science of psychedelics teach us about healing and transforming deeply grooved neural patterning caused by chronic depression or trauma? How can we use pleasure and “peak experiences” to heal and transform? This week, I have a very special treat for you (no tricks!). Tune into this episode of the Woman Gone Wild Podcast to learn about the fascinating, brain-altering world of psychedelic sensuality.

p.s. Jessica is our very first guest on the show and a fellow WGW listener!! Be sure to head over to YouTube and show her some love and/or leave a review wherever you’re listening 🥰

Inside the Episode:

  • Jessica’s journey of recovery and discovery; and liberation through psychedelics and micro-dosing
  • How psychedelic states and orgasmic peak states allow us to rewire the brain, heal, and break free from disempowering patterns of thought
  • The fear of madness or “losing your mind”– how our narratives control and limit access to brain-altering medicine and practices
  • The demographic of women who are uniquely supported by a micro-dosing and psychedelic sensuality practice
  • How Jessica weaves NLP and Psychedelic Sensuality Coaching to create a deeply transformative healing journey

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Episode Transcript

Introduction – Psychedelic-Assisted Sexual Healing

00:06
Is Halloween technically a holiday? I mean, I guess it’s like a holy day. It’s a sacred day, especially for those who are celebrating El Dia de los Muertos. Thing is, when I was a kid, I used to always say my favorite holiday was Halloween, but it was not for any like sacred ritual reason. I was just hooked on candy.

I know, I know. It’s such a kid thing to say that the holiday that has your favorite snack or treats is a holiday for you. I’m sure if I was really into turkey and mac and cheese, it would have been Thanksgiving. But no, I had a like serious sweet tooth and even now, I distanced myself from sweets because I don’t ever want to go back down that nasty hallway.

I was really a sweet fiend. Like, I would always need to get something, you know, at like the grocery store or CVS. I’d always be like, yep, gonna get me my Hershey’s bar. And so it just was not probably the most fun for my parents either. But also, I’m pretty sure it is their fault that I got hooked. Anyways, this episode is a real treat. It is, Oh my goodness, it is phenomenal. It is delicious. And I just, I mean, I wish I could go back into the interview. This is how much fun I had and how absolutely eye-opening, world -expanding this interview was. So, buckle up, buttercup. Sorry, pun intended and I’m making myself laugh.

Buckle up, buttercup, because this is a sweet ride.

2:11
Hi, I’m Yanique Bell, the Pussy Queen. I blend Tantric philosophy, science, and my own embodied soul wisdom to help women become their most orgasmic and potent selves by reclaiming their pussy and original soul essence. Get ready to experience sex so deep it rivals your meditation practice. You’re listening to episode 109 of the Women Gone Wild podcast. Psychedelic Sensuality with Jessica Alfaqih

Today, we are taking a sweet trip, a little journey with Psychedelic Sensuality Coach, Jessica Alphaqih. Oh my goodness, my world literally shook, shook after this interview. And I hope that you also get this mind-blowing experience, because even though I was not taking psychedelics during this interview, I felt like I, you know, just had a complete shift in my reality, just from listening to Jessica talk about her experiences, and how she serves her community, her clients as well. It’s just so beautiful. As I share during our conversation, I came into this talk knowing like nothing.

I knew like nothing about psychedelics other than just they exist. Mushrooms are one of them. I don’t even know. I don’t know all the names to the psychedelic mushrooms. I, yeah, I started the book How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan. We talked a little bit about it a few years ago. And so I know like generally what makes for a good trip just because I read like the first chapter.

But it’s a really thick book. And once I learned that I was not a good candidate for psychedelics and I should not go near that, I just kind of put it on the back burner and just was like, okay, it’s you know, I don’t need to read any more into this because I’m not going to be doing it, right? So the reason I personally will not be partaking in psychedelics besides my just liking my mind as it is and being able to go deep in meditation and feeling like I really get what I need out of my practice.

But I also have just family history wise. There are members of my family who have schizophrenia. And if you have any mental disorders or anything like that in your family, you want to be careful because it can trigger an episode. So I don’t know if that would happen to me, but it’s just to err on the side of caution because I like my mind.

And like I said, I go pretty deep in my practice as it is through our sacred practices and Pussy Academy through my meditation practice. I feel really met and served in you know, my practice as it is, but it does not mean I am not curious and super stoked about psychedelics as you’ll see.

And what’s cool is that with Jessica, you don’t have to actually do psychedelics. She has a mode of working with people and women so that you don’t actually necessarily need to work with psychedelics, but she brings the energy of psychedelics to her sensuality coaching, which I think is just really cool. And not something I see all the time. And it really serves a unique group of people and we’ll get to that in the episode.

So there are actually a group of people who ladies, please go and talk to Jessica if this is you because I get this question a lot from certain groups and it’s like, yeah, highlight, emphasize this may be something for you. So definitely get in contact with Jessica. I don’t want to give too much away because this is such a juicy conversation.

I just want you to go on into the episode. We talk for quite a bit. We, you know, this is our first time meeting and like honestly, I’m just in love with Jessica. We hit it off and I hope you feel the energy as we’re talking and get as excited as I am about this modality.

So Jessica Alfaqih is a trauma informed and certified Psychedelic Sensuality Coach and Master NLP Practitioner. Pronouns are she her hers. She helps humans fill their lives with pleasure, connection and sensual power. She uses a combination of body based practices and brain rewiring techniques to help you permanently shift your experience with trauma and internal blocks.

She’s here to help you open yourself up to new unlimited pathways to pleasure. Jessica is of mixed Lebanese and European heritage and lives and works on the ancestral and unceded land of the Chochenyo speaking Ohlone people.

She is an absolute delight and you are going to think so. I just know you’re going to fall in love with her. You’re going to think so too by the end of the episode. So without further ado,

Jessica’s Journey of Recovery and Discovery

8:08
Let’s dive into Psychedelic Sensuality with Jessica Alfaqih. So excited to talk and I mean I just saw you on Instagram and I was like immediately yes. I know nothing about that and I was like I just want to learn more. A few years ago, I came across, there’s this like really thick juicy book on psychedelics and I feel like you would probably know it. I just can’t, like I see the cover of it, it’s like dark and then it’s like. looking into like the sky through a window I don’t know.

[J] Do you know Michael Pollan? Yeah that’s Michael Pollans. How to change your mind.

[Y] Yes exactly. His name came to mind which is funny because I feel like I rarely like remember author’s names as much as I do titles but look at that. But I started it and I was so intrigued but I never finished. I got to the part where he was talking about essentially like you needing to have the correct setting for a psychedelic experience.

So I really didn’t get very far and I’m sure you can fill in a lot of the blanks for me. I’m so excited to just hear more. But before we dive into psychedelics and psychedelics sensuality I was wondering if you could tell me a little bit about how you got into it.

I know you’re also a master NLP practitioner and I’m familiar with NLP as well. I know it’s not Ninguist sorry Ninguist what it’s like the words are fumbling in my mind. Neuro -linguistic programming. Can you tell me a little bit more about which came first and yeah like how did you stumble across both of these very interesting modalities?

[J] Yeah absolutely. It’s a it’s a wild ride like most origin stories. I ever since I was a kid, I’ve been fascinated by how people work, why we form the identities we do, why we do the things we do. And so I just like obsessively would pour over really dense psychology, but it’s like in middle school through high school. – Oh my goodness. – So NLP for me has been something I came to when I was 14.

[Y] Wow, so young.

[J] So young and started just recognizing that the way that we perceive reality is shaped by so many different factors. And just the very fact that it’s shaped was such a like, aha moment for me, where it was like, if this isn’t real, like if their objective reality is just a perception of the mind, like what does that say about how we create identity and why? So I really dug into a lot of looking at the constructs that we create.

And I was doing this mostly through the lens of teaching. I wanted to be an English teacher. And so I was looking at how we can practice just a lot of undoing systems of oppression within how we construct like grading modalities that are definitely affecting your identity, like whether you identify as a good student, bad student, kind of like your story where it’s like good girl, bad girl, like there’s so many of these binaries that we just like buy into because everyone’s telling us that this is what reality is.

And so I had an NLP certification long before I ever went into sensuality coaching or psychedelic coaching. The psychedelics actually came first, but I just didn’t know where I wanted to apply my knowledge and my expertise. I was all kind of hoarding it for myself. Like–

[Y] Yeah, what’s like in my head right now is like, whoa, 14 years old, and like trying to figure out, can I ask like, what? Why was 14 year old you so concerned with why people, how people create their realities? What was going on for you at the time? And like, were you exposed to psychology through an adult or like, yeah, just I’m curious.

[J] Yeah, so I had my first real reckoning with, I was deeply enchanted by ancient Egyptian mythology when I was in like fifth grade. And that led me to discover like paganism and Wicca, and just different all just exposed to all kinds of different spiritual and religious beliefs. And that was at odds with a lot of the dominant Christian ideologies in my community. And just like the culture that I was a part of. And so that was my first kind of like identity shadow, I was like, oh, maybe I’m different. And that moved into like being a very rebellious teenager, trying to figure out like what my place was in the world.

So when I was like 14, 15, I was experimenting with drugs, not in like a healthy healing way, but just in like a, what is going on with the world kind of a way and just trying to figure out what my identity was in this space. And that all kind of came crashing down around me when I got sober, and had to deal with a clean slate for my identity. Basically, Basically, so like my 16th birthday was kind of that moment for me where I had to say goodbye to all of the friends I knew and was like, you get to rebuild yourself. But at 16, it’s like, oh my God, like what am I rebuilding from?

And so I had to do a lot of really intentional work and it was a really challenging period of time to just kind of have my identity totally torn apart and coming back to who I wanted to be and who I felt like I genuinely was.

[Y] Wow. Wow, I mean, I just can’t imagine having that journey at like 16, you know? I feel like when I was at that age, I was clinging to my Christianity, even though I was always asking questions, I was always up in youth group, like, how? – Like, you know, asking the hard questions that the adults were like, girl, we don’t know all the answers. And then, you know–

[J] Put your hand out. – Right? (laughing)

[Y] They covered up with just like, you know, it’s all part of God’s plan or like something like that to just kind of, you know, get you to feel at peace. And, but I feel like my Christian faith was somehow inflamed and it also soothed the parts of me that were like, who, you know, what is this world? Like, why are we here? And like, you know, I feel like I had similar ideas as a kid of just like going through a very, like a lot of trauma in my family and just be like, why are these people the way that they are? You know? But to like, I don’t know that I could personally have done what you did at 16.

You know, that’s so big, so big. So I want to commend you on that. And wow, it’s amazing.

[J] I think, you know, there’s the hand that gets forced in that. So it’s like having done, you know, having got into substances that were like, you better get out of these and quick. You know, it’s a lot of trauma, I think forces you to do a radical shift or to really reckon with things that you’d much rather not deal with. But the outcome of that is where all the power lies.

[Y] Absolutely. Did you have a lot of support in that step? How did you kind of find your place into whether it’s like NLP and eventually you’re coaching modalities?

17:01
Like how did you find support to kind of heal?

[J] There were kind of pillars. So there are some teachers in my life who just role models, people who I could look up to and say, you know, I want to kind of step into the identity that they’re holding open for me. You know, people who just like can see more in you and want more of you.

And when that’s what I wanted to step into. So I think I’ve always been a really curious child and adult and just lifelong. I just want to learn about everything all the time. And so that really helped me do a lot of the processing and a lot of like looking at, okay, here’s where people are telling me that I can go and just sitting and reflecting with, how does that feel? You know, that did feel a lot better than we had to do. So I did go to rehab, which was really helpful. And we had to do a moment where you eulogize your death.

So you get to pretend that you’re dead and everyone gets to talk about what they saw in you. And that seems so cheesy at the time, but reflecting back on it, I think that really empowered me to say, that’s not the life that I want to choose. And I have to figure out how to be different now.

[Y] Oh, interesting. Wow. I personally love like, honestly, I love working with death, because that sounds really heavy and probably scary to people. But I think it’s also a cultural thing, I think in other cultures, they have a different relationship to death. And, you know, as I was getting my coaching certification, we had a ritual that was experiencing your life and then seeing yourself after death and just like feeling how do you feel in like all the emotions around: what have you done? What did you desire for more? Like, who are the people around you? There’s something so illuminating in that.

And I think, you know, as someone where you were at the young age of 16, like where, where do I want my life to lead? That’s so powerful. So you had a moment when you were 16, a turning point of like, okay, I have to kind of go a different way if I want to live the life that I want, then you went into rehab. What came next?

[J] There was a brief period of just like, absolute normalcy in my life. And I was always very reflective. So I had a journaling practice. And it’s so cute to look through my high school journal and hear myself say, you know, I’m struggling with the same things that I am today. And I desire the same things that I am today, or as I don’t want to be a teacher, I want to be like a psychologist, like I knew that I had something in me that wanted me to help awaken different, like empowered systems within people. So I, in my 20s, I started my own businesses. And I just like went full into the entrepreneur identity.

And I started a college success coaching blog. So I just helped so cute. I helped students kind of recognize that like this cookie cutter straight A narrative wasn’t, isn’t serving a lot of students in the way that their relationship to what kind of knowledge they consume and how they develop it and it’s just like all this grade chasing that never does anybody any good.

And so that’s when I started like trying to dismantle structures like grading what it means to be a good student, especially in the English discipline because that privileges a lot of just middle class English speaking households and leaves out a huge swath of others.

So I was really dedicated to kind of shining light on different pathways that people could take to develop a more empowered identity And it just happened to me what I was doing, which was like I was in school, I was getting straight A’s and running an entrepreneurial business, which as you know, takes up a lot time and energy.

And so just to show people that you could do both and that I was in a self identified kind of like baddie wild child and was still crushing my academics, building really conscious relationships with professors and living my life and getting the grades, you know, so I wanted to, it’s just always been within me, I can kind of chart my lineage of how I wanted to serve and help people. And it’s always been in dismantling oppressive structures, especially for just minoritized populations and in the West here, especially, and bringing alternative methods for people to try on. Yeah.

[Y] Well, thank you so much for doing that work. I think if I was in college, I would have definitely joined some of your seminars ’cause I love that and I had a similar journey of like perfect student, perfect until it fell apart, right? And my healing had to take place. And so I guess my question for you is when you say you, you’ve already, you’ve always not already, but you’ve always had like a sense of your lineage. What does that mean?

[J] I think it’s the healing lineage. So I think it’s always feeling drawn to service and somehow using all of the knowledge that I get. Like I’m always wanting to share with people, check out this new tool or like reflect on this with me, you know, and every time I listen to a podcast that I find really fascinating, I always wanna pick someone to be like, can we talk about this? Will you listen to this and we can talk about it? So I think that’s just been, I don’t know where it came from. It’s just always been the fire for me to learn as much as I can and then to help spread that knowledge if it’s gonna help other people.

[Y] And when you are, hmm, when you’re in the places where you’re learning, are you ever like learning for you? Like are you ever in a season where it’s like, it’s just for me? And if so, do you mind sharing with us what that season is right now?

[J] I feel like it all starts with me. It all starts with me. And I am the kind of person that has like 17 tabs open on the computer because there’s just so much that I wanna learn and absorb. And right now I’m really stepping into the communication portion. So learning how to deliver messages and I’m coming from like a debilitating fear of speaking.

Even as a student, I like wouldn’t wanna raise my hand because I was just so darn scared that someone would listen to me share what I had to say. So it’s really interesting that like, my dream has been to share all of the knowledge that I absorb, but then being terrified of sharing it too. So my current, my current me focus is kind of developing more of a skill set to be able to, to share that, to share that wisdom with others.

[Y] No, I feel that and I’ve like, I feel like I’ve gone through so much fear of judgment and like, especially with my business and being heard, being seen, all the things. And I guess so what I was feeling into in that question is I, I don’t know, as someone who’s always like drawn to like deliver and help and be of service, I’ve found myself recently, feel like nudging that part of me, like, what is that? Like scratching at it. As I like to say when I’m with clients like, I’m gonna scratch at this. Almost like a scratch-off. And so I don’t know. I honestly, I don’t have an answer to that. I’m just, that’s where I’m at right now. And maybe I’m projecting that onto you. But I’m always curious, I’m always curious, like, does anyone else ever get into their brain and go, where is that impulse coming from?

But okay, so you’re in your 20s, and you did awesome work in college and like, connecting not only to students, but you also held up what you were there to do, right? Which I think is hard, first of all, but I just commend you. You’re a rock star. And so then after your 20s, you’re opening these businesses. Yeah, tell me, like, where does NLP, not NLP, but Psychedelics, because I think we’ve, have we covered NLP?

26:21
Is this the season where you’re going through? Is NLP one of the businesses that you start at this time? I just want to know when you start incorporating Psychedelics, because that’s what I want to know more about. I want to know how this came about.

[J] Yeah, well, we’re at the exact point in my chronology where Psychedelics really play their big role. I, so the first business I started was an art gallery. And I did that, it turned into three. It turned into working with one of the most famous performance artists in the world and like flying to New York between my classes, just like this insane kind of lifestyle. And I went to Santa Barbara to visit with a friend. We took some mushrooms, like a decent dose. And we’re just laying outside on the grass looking up at the stars. And there was a moment, like so many of the moments that have kind of knocked my life into alignment where I felt so deeply in my body.

I can’t go back to that. That’s not the lifestyle that I want. That isn’t the, that’s not my dream.

[Y] While you were, so while you were in the grass and you were high, that’s when you had that experience? Yes, that’s the moment that you weren’t willing to go back to?

[J] Being an art gallerist, being around kind of the like the more famous like New York art scene just didn’t feel like what I was looking for and the success that I was reaching didn’t feel like success to me. There’s a lot of like dealing with critics and then just like dealing with a lot of very interesting egos dealing with a lot of judgment from my end that I just wanted to release all of that.

And the only way I felt like I could release it was to make an exit. And so I, there was no, I don’t do things where I’m like, okay, I’ll like gently close it off. I was like, I’m done like as of today on this expansive plane looking up at the stars that look like they’re falling out of the sky. Like I’m done and I’m not going back.

So I turned away from that. And that’s when I focused more on writing. I wanted to become a writer and just radically restructured my relationship to what I thought success was.

Psychedelics’ Effect on Judgment and Mental Constructs

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[Y] And can I ask what is your relationship with judgment now? Cause I feel like judgment is one of those things that’s kind of coming up in your story a lot. Like almost like, cause I see judgment as not just criticism, it’s also how we categorized. And how we make decisions. And like it goes in line with that 14 year old you who was like trying to figure out why do people live the way they do, make the choices that they do. Yeah, tell me a little bit more. Have you like explored this or is this a thread that you feel within yourself?

[J] I love how you’re looking at judgment, not just as what we think of judgment where you’re kind of like making a criticism, but like as a way of categorizing. I haven’t thought of it in that way. And I think that that’s really, really fascinating. For me, the judgment that was coming up in my life at that point felt like a stark contrast to compassion.

So it felt like I lacked a lot of compassion because my judgment was rooted in criticism and critique and probably categorization unfairly so of just like, you know, making assumptions and making things like fall into a neat category. So I could say, well, not that, but yes to this. And my relationship to that has shifted a lot largely through, I feel like my relationship to psychedelic switch has expanded my perception of what reality is and what constructs are.

So having constructs that are so rigid, you know, where it’s like, I’m a, I’m a writer or I’m a gallerist or I’m a student or I’m a mother, you know, all of these things that help us make sense of the world are a lot more fluid and flexible in psychedelic states. Like constructs just kind of have a tendency to melt away and you can kind of see the ebbs and flows of identity and connection.

And so it helped me shift my relationship to these more like hard crystalline judgmental states and enter, just bring more compassion into my life. And that has been one of the most radical shifts for me.

[Y] Yeah, so it’s melting away of, well, when, every time you say constructs, I’m thinking of like the categories of like this and that and like also separation. When we think about categories, there’s, I am in one category, you’re in one category. And there’s this like melting away of all of that. Well, I smoked weed once. I didn’t even smoke, I did a gummy and I tried smoking once and I didn’t like it. Nothing happened for me. But I’ve done gummies before. But I’ve never felt that like experience that I hear people talk about with psychedelics. I also don’t think all psychedelics are for me, but I definitely know that experience through meditation and ritual practice.

And yeah, it’s, can you tell us a little bit more about what happens when those categories fall away and that judgment falls away? What do you feel in those moments?

[J] Yeah, so you’re accessing very similar states when you’re in meditation. So what psychedelics do is they quiet the default mode network, which is one of our systems for processing that holds all of the categorizations in. It stores a lot of like, oh, this thing happened in the past. So here’s how I’m gonna make sense of it in the future. It’s kind of like the filter by which we read and interpret the world. And so that’s very shaped by the narratives we buy into and the stories that we believe and just our experiences that have shaped us. And so when you quiet that down, it offers you almost like a clean slate to look at things through. So without feeling like this means that or this means this or I had this experience in the past.

So now I’m interpreting this to be this way. It opens up a lot more possibility for just looking at things the way that they are, which is a lot more neutral than we imagine. And meditation does a very similar thing where it’ll quiet that default mode network. So you can kind of tap into psychedelic states through breath work, meditation, ritual practice and get that same experience.

Psychedelic Healing: The Return of Awe and Presence

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And to me, when all of that stuff falls away, there’s this wonder and awe that comes up with it. Almost like to an overwhelming degree where I’ve just been like crying because I’m seeing something so beautiful in front of me that is there every day, you know? – It’s a redwood tree.

[Y] Yes, yeah.

[J] But you just get to be so present in the moment without thinking about anything else that’s going on in your life. And that full presentness is so epically beautiful.

[Y] You’re reminding me of a moment I had this summer. This year has been going deeper into my meditation practice and my own rituals. And I just remember going for a walk and looking at a tree and just like crying. It’s like, I go for this walk almost every day. Here I am, just like, oh my God, the light, the trees.

[J] Yes.

[Y] It’s so beautiful. And I think what’s amazing, with psychedelics is, you almost like… there’s so much momentum. You kind of have to build with meditation, I feel like. Sometimes you have breakthrough moments, but to consistently be in that state where you can look at your life with fresh eyes, Like that opportunity is so unique that psychedelics provide. Can you tell us a little bit more about some of your favorite experiences and how they came about?

Yeah, ’cause I, like I said, I’m totally new to the psychedelic world. And yeah, just tell me what is it like when you’re starting to become high?

Brain Changes & What a Psychedelic Trip is Like from Start to Finish

36:01
Like for us who don’t know the experience at all, like how would you describe it kind of like from start to finish?

[J] I love that question because psychedelics to me is such a phased experience where there are these like very clear delineated moments of, oh, this is how you’re gonna be feeling now. Here’s how you’re feeling at the peak. And then here’s how you’re feeling as it relaxes. The first moments of feeling into psychedelics is a bodily experience for me.

So your brain can process 11 million bits of information per second, but your conscious mind can only process 40 to 50 bits of information. That’s like a massive change. And so the way that your brain does that is by filtering all of the stuff, categorizing it neatly so you can just glance and say, okay, this is a room with a chair and I don’t really need to worry about it, that’s the kitchen, I don’t need to like analyze every piece of this to make sense of it. And so psychedelics expand how much your brain is able to take in and process.

And so everything just starts to become heightened. So for me, it starts with a sense in my body where I can feel my skin. And that is a very weird experience where you’re just, it’s like being hyper -conscious that you’re in a body, that you have skin on the outside, it’s holding your muscles in, there’s stuff going on in the inside and you can start to feel, oh, this is my experience, but I’ll start to feel all of my systems working.

And I am so thankful that my body knows how to do all of that because if I had attention, it would just be like so overwhelming. There’s so much that our body does for us and goes on. So the very first thing is I become kind of attuned to how much I am. And then it’ll filter into a shift in vision and a shift in perception of just being able to see colors more clearly, to see details more vividly. I call it, it’s like being able to see in 4D, essentially, like you can really just access your brain can just process a lot more of that information.

So you can notice simultaneously, like be conscious of your shadow while also watching the landscape change around you and being aware of like the inner workings of your body. And the come up can be like an overwhelming experience for some people because you’re just awakening so much all at once. That is normally your brain just like kind of shuts out because it’s not relevant to our survival.

And what comes after that when that sort of quiet and you become more comfortable just being in this state of expanded awareness is that gift of wonder, of awe, and of presentness that just opens so much possibility for you.

So my mind’s very active on psychedelics. A lot of the healing states will kind of close off the vision so that you can really sink and go internally and you’ll just start to have a lot of thoughts and process a lot of what’s going on in your mind and what your body’s bringing up. And then when you’re kind of more directed outward, you’re focusing less on that and more just like immersed in the outward experience.

[Y] So you can choose which you want to do or is this happening simultaneously or is it like different for each person? Yeah, like do you find that some people are more like outward focused and others are more internally focused? Tell me

[J] Yeah, there’s a difference between What people are comfortable with, what they’re used to, where they want to take it, and then there’s also a sense of like Where the medicine is going to take you. So sometimes you want to be more external and avoid and your stuff that’s coming up is like I’m gonna force you to look at what’s inside. I had a really beautiful story from someone who had a very traumatic experience in their 30s and they wanted to do psychedelic healing to kind of move past that because they realized they just weren’t experiencing joy since that accident. And in their trip experience, they had the blindfold on– so there are things you can do to kind of like shut out the outside– You can put on headphones, listen to music, put a blindfold on

[Y] Okay,

[J] create a more inward space

[Y] Okay, cool, I didn’t know that

[J] Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, you can go frolicking in the woods, which is one of my preferred ways of just connecting with nature and being in my power But a lot of the psychedelic healing states will just be like, let’s put on a Blindfold, that’s like the standard.

[Y] Oh Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is really cool to me. Yeah When I think of psychedelics, I think about just like losing control and I’m just like, You know, like oh healing is gonna happen, but I’m like… I’d probably end up Butt naked somewhere like, you know, how do we–

[J] and you will feel so good

[Y] Maybe, maybe I like honestly think my brain would probably be of the panic variety. That’s just my own theory on my–

[J] Well, yeah. I think that’s a really common feeling.

[Y] Just panic, just pure panic?

[J] Yeah, yeah, I mean, a common feeling that people think that they’re going to experience, not what they actually experience. I think it’s really common to go just… I think again, when we’re talking about constructs and the way that like we’ve internalized messaging, this psychedelic messaging has been really like panic inducing, you know, like it seems like you’re going to lose your mind when they show like, I just have like the cartoon image of like everything totally bugging out and you’re in this like alternate universe. And to me,

Psychedelics vs Alcohol: Why is one more accepted?

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it’s so fascinating what our relationship as a culture to alcohol is.

[Y] Let’s get into it.

[J] Let’s fucking go there. Because we’ve sanctioned one of the most horrifying experiences not only from a felt state of being wildly out of control, you know, high doses, getting sick, making your body physically ill, the death threshold is like pretty close to what some people ride.

And because it’s so culturally accepted, we’re not so terrified that like, Oh, I’m gonna have a beer and I’m just gonna totally lose my shit. Whereas with psychedelics, even something like micro-dosing people are a little hesitant because they’re like, I don’t want to go crazy. Mm hmm. When you look at the, the statistics of harm, it’s no comparison to something like alcohol,

[Y] My brain is firing like 100 things.

[J] Fire. Fire away.

[Y] Oh my God, there’s so many things, like 100%. The way that we have been brought to think about it. And it’s true about so many subjects, you know, where it’s like it’s sanctioned under these parameters, kind of reminds me of Christianity and sex. It’s like under these parameters you may partake, right?

And it’s not really well-considered. It’s not based on research. It’s all about feeling really. And the little that I read of the book that I mentioned, I know that historically it’s part of the media and how we were introduced to psychedelics as a country, in America. Very, very interesting. Oh, wow. There’s also something to say about our fear of madness of losing our minds.

The Historical Fear of “Losing Our Minds” (and why we actually should)

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So I’m from Jamaica and this is something that I like come up against in my family all the time. And this is also part of the reason I don’t partake in psychedelics because my family does have — so my, one of my grandma’s had 14 kids the other had 12, which is like massive amount of people, especially as they start to multiply. But I find that it, you know, things that might have gone dormant for certain generations pop up.

And one of those is schizophrenia. And so there’s also like this fear. And I think it’s not just within my family, in Jamaica as a whole, there’s this fear of like anything to do with the mind. And there’s a fear of therapy, there’s a fear of any like kind of mental awareness. You know, and it’s associated with psychosis, it’s associated with losing your mind.

And it’s interesting because when you look back at a lot of spiritual traditions, those were sanctioned places for you to quote unquote, lose your mind to come out of the ego to experience. And like that was essential to be able to experience oneness, to experience those categories fall away, that judgment fall away, and to be able to see, come back, and see your life differently. And even within that state to see life differently, it’s essential, it’s so essential.

I mean, think about it. It’s like if you had your computer running, this is a bad habit I had in college, where I would just have my computer running all week, never turn it off, right? And so all the tabs are open, all the things are running on all cylinders, all the time. Imagine if you never turned your computer off. And I feel like that’s the experience of either ritual practice or psychedelics, whatever tool you use is being able to turn your computer off for a second. Like, oh, wait on, this is not, it doesn’t have to be what I was making it to be, you know? – Yeah, my brain is in love. Amazing.

[J] Yeah, yeah, it’s the fear of madness was one of the big hypes that the government put out when they started to, there’s some beautiful documentaries. Michael Pollan’s book is phenomenal. He also did like a video series that I haven’t watched, but here it’s like more digestible ’cause that book is thick.

[Y] It’s thick.

[J] It’s a thick one. (laughing) – I’m all for it, I’m all for big books. He kind of also touches upon the hysteria that ensued when the government recognized that they couldn’t control psychedelics.

And a lot of the anti -war movement was, they were the ones kind of embracing psychedelics because when all of those constructs fall away and you start to recognize your deep connection with other people and all of the just like, all of the bullshit goes out the window, you can really start to see how much harm is done by holding onto the constructs.

And so of course, all of the counterculture is trying to undo stuff that the government wants to hold very dearly on. And so they, you can just watch the switch and like campaigns and shutting down research and producing a lot of the the feelings that we still have today, it’s wild to see how these constructs are passed down, even when they don’t feel like they’re so in your face, we still, we still collect the stories from them.

[Y] Yes, I honestly think words have like an energy around them. And yes, you know, me being the Pussy Queen, it’s it’s been about changing the energy around pussy. And I feel like psychedelics also has an energy around it, where it’s like, it’s the way that you hear it being spoken about, whether it’s in whispers, or like, you know, the way that it’s reported on, I feel like all these things where, like you said, our brain is taking in a million things, even if consciously, we’re only, you know, picking out 40-50 items, whatever. We’re still taking that in, you know, and so it’s like, a lot of it is unconscious, our dislike or our fear of psychedelics, and you are helping me to kind of, you know, even though I don’t know that I would partake, just because I know it’s a risk if you have like schizophrenia or whatever in your family, but it’s helping me to understand the experience and to, I mean, I’m not, I don’t particularly… I don’t like judge.

I mean, we all judge, but I try not to judge whatever modality people use, because I think what helps is what helps, right? But you’re helping, you’re helping me. And I also don’t want to share that energy when I talk about psychedelics.

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So thank you so much for starting that dismantling within me as well, because you’re 100 % right, you know, we’re totally used to things like alcohol, but, you know, something like psychedelics, which can, from what I what I hear, the experience is just transformative, I don’t know that I hear a lot of transformative experiences about alcohol

[J] Usually it’s like the moment that you decide you’re not going to drink is the

[Y] But it’s it’s so interesting the things that have become normalized. It’s like everything that disconnects you from the real you and disconnects you from others as well is what, historically, Western society is like, yeah, that’s the thing for us. Yeah, and it’s just so… it’s like wow, Wow, you know? Just wow. Why…? Yeah, what’s your theory on that?

[J] I think it’s a form of control I mean, I think if you look at how hesitant our culture is to Like sit with feelings and process feelings and to process other people’s experience Um, that’s it. That’s dangerous because when you start to relate to other people you start to lose the divisions and the divisions are what hold people in power, so I do think that there’s a sort of consciousness to how we’re constructing things again if you look at the LSD story and there’s like beautiful documentaries that show how the government was trying to use this substance as mind control And for the military and how it totally backfires because again when you’re on psychedelics

Like all you want to do is listen to the birds saying and not like go after people with guns like yeah it doesn’t, it just… the medicine does not let you do that and so, you know, alcohol keeps people complacent it keeps people kind of operating at that lower level and that’s a lot of the systems that we have in place, help us stay at this kind of like low level, where it’s really hard to step into our power. And I don’t know if that part is necessarily conscious, but I recognize that a lot of these constructs that we have in a lot of like, when we’re just talking about substances and the way that we process our feelings like mental health, not being very accessible to a vast majority of people, both by like the stories created around it, and by the insurance field and stuff like that, we are limiting our ability to step into our power and to release ourselves from a lot of like the the traumas that we’ve had, the fears that we’ve had and come into a greater sense of connection and intimacy. And I think that that is, by and large, a form of crowd control.

[Y] I could totally see that, especially when I hear stories about, you know, what was done, I don’t even know which decade when you know, psychedelic research was squashed, it’s like, oh, that’s very intentional. And I guess for me, I’m interested in the progression of consciousness and like, at what pace can we evolve? Yeah, I look at my own story. And at times, it feels like I’m healing lightning fast. And at other times, you know, actually, I’m going to edit that, at every time it feels like I’m moving lightning fast. And I will look back and be like, Oh, my God, I had that thought a month ago, I had, I had this conversation with myself today, where I was like, wow, you know… so it’s like, on some level, I feel like we’re moving as fast as we can to, we are going as quickly as we can to that evolved state, that next level of human consciousness.

So I like give a lot of grace and there’s so much like unchecked trauma, which is what causes us to want to disconnect from our body because it’s too painful. You know, and so hearing experiences of people who are like melting into your body, blah, blah. It’s like, no, I don’t want that. That sounds great.

You know, right. If I were to actually go into my mind, I would lose my mind if like, you know, I could see someone, even if it’s not a conscious thought, like feeling that way of like… I mean, I think of my own, my own parents, my own family members, or it’s like to even peek under the hood a little bit to even question an emotion.

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It’s automatically like, no, no, I can’t. And I think it’s just not having the tools from an early age. And thankfully your story, you were starting to reach for the tools, even if initially you reached for drugs that you eventually had to cut off. They were, you know, a step in like the direction of I’m looking for that thing that’s going to help me, because I know ultimately my, North Star is to connect back to me and to experience these stories that you’re probably hearing about in Egyptian. What was it that you were looking into at the age of… Egyptian mythology?

Yes, Egyptian mythology, the little miracle baby that you are. And I think it’s so cool that like people come in. I have a younger cousin who like similar to you. She’s like, Yanique, can you tell me about how to access my intuition? And I’m like, darling, these are advanced questions.

[J] Yes.

[Y] Little baby you like, I don’t know how much to tell her how much to hold back. But you’re telling me… and I think about myself at that age, like I could’ve handle that. You know, I felt like a grown woman. And I think a lot of that is having to step into a parenting role way too early and trauma and all that stuff. But you’re like, you’re helping me to feel like, you know what, I could let her in on more. I could, you know, give her more. Because we, you know, are reaching. We’re all reaching to come back to us. And because we have made progress, that’s happening at younger ages.

[J] Yeah.

[Y] Wow, beautiful.

[J] Yeah, yeah. And I feel like we will hold on to what we have capacity for at the time, you know? So that’s true for healing. You’re able to process it lightning fast. You know, I think because you’re an intentional healer and you’re like, I’m doing this with intention, with purpose and with a tool set. Whereas a lot of people are kind of like grasping at healing in bits and pieces when it’s thrust upon them because maybe that intentionality isn’t there.

Those tool sets aren’t there for whatever reason. So I think it can be both fast and slow.

[Y] Oh yeah. When I say I’m going lightning fast, I feel like I’m going lightning fast. But when I look back, it’s like, wow, I still feel like I’m going slow. Like time feels warped. That’s what I’m saying, which is like… I feel like we’re developing as quickly as we can, you know? With all the blocks that we have, resistance, whatever it is. I think we’re all going to get there. I personally don’t think, you know, when we die, that’s it. I think we continue on our journey.

Yeah, so I’m learning in the season of my life to kind of relax and not really judge people where they are, right? To be at ease. ‘Cause I realized judgment is really that feeling of not feeling at ease too for me. –

[J] Yeah.

[Y] It’s that wanting to control and wanting to like, I don’t know, like shape society. You’re like, let’s go faster. We have the answers. They’re fricking here. Why are we still doing this?

[J] Yes.

[Y] yeah, it’s like so frustrating because It’s like we have all the answers, not all of them, But we have a lot of them and we have the answers that we need to get to the next step

[J] Yes,
[Y] it’s like we’re we’re moving at a snail’s pace.

[J] Yes. Yes. Yes one of my favorite quotes of all time is Knowledge isn’t power.

How to Integrate After a Psychedelic Experience or While Microdosing

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It’s potential power because knowledge without action means nothing. So it’s like we know all of these things and this is actually one of the most important things in psychedelics is a lot of people will think that just having the experience is the healing so just because I did an ayahuasca ceremony I had all of these revelations and now I’m going to be different.

They go back to their lives and then two weeks later they’re like Shit’s the same, you know, I should probably go back for another healing journey and it’s like no, And the problem is because you’ve had this incredible epiphany, like yes You will get so many downloads through psychedelic medicine, The thing that matters more than that download or that experience is how you show up differently moving forward,

So if you’re not taking action, and this is what I bring into my practice. So we will do a lot of stuff to get to the root of like here are the core systemic things that are affecting the way that you want to show up You absolutely have to integrate, So you have to start doing practices that allow you to step into that new identity and to start and to start acting aligned with that identity so that you can look back and say, oh, actually I have changed, it might be slow, it might be incremental, but I am making shifts toward the person who I, I know I can be that person who I do want to be.

[Y] Okay, I’m really glad you said this because this is a misconception and I’m realizing as you’re saying it, that it’s a misconception that I have. It’s this idea and it’s actually something that I’ve kind of debunked within my own kind of spiritual practice where I was always like waiting for one of those moments, right? One of those meditations that’s just gonna like, launch me into outer space,

[J] yeah.

[Y] And after that moment, I will be different. And I don’t have to do all this everyday, healing, journeying, journaling, whatever. No, because I’ll be like fundamentally different. And whatever I hear people talk about their psychedelic experience, it’s what comes to mind. I’m like, okay, so they just like woke up brand new and everything, the way they talk about it, it sounds like they just, it was not going back to work. They saw the light and they went forward into the light. They really integrated it. And I’m like, no, this, obviously Yanique, that’s not how… you need someone to hold you through that experience. And I think that’s what’s so powerful about the kind of like psychedelic coaching space or psychedelic healers is that you’re giving people that structure after you have the experience.

Like, okay, this is what you need to make sure that you’re taking what you just experienced into your life. And it’s not that you have to keep coming back. So I guess my question is, when people are done with their psychedelic experience, how do they work with you? Like how does it, yeah, like tell me a little bit more about what comes next.

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You just said, you know, you integrate it, but what does that look like?

[J] Yeah, so interestingly, the vast majority of my clients I work with, we don’t do psychedelic medicine together. What I’ll do with a lot of my clients instead is we will access psychedelic states similarly to how your meditation practice brings you into that quietness of the default mode network. We’ll do that through visualization exercises and different somatic practices. The integration component comes through pleasure practices.

I almost consider myself like a personal trainer where it’s like I’m going to give you exercises to rep those muscles so that you can start building toward more pleasure, toward more release, whatever the goals that we’re working on, you’ll get practices that help you go out and show up differently. Whether we do that through a microdose practice where micro dosing can help,

Tap into the Power of Peak Experiences to Create New Neural Pathways (and Heal Sexual Trauma)

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one of the things that psychedelics does is it increases the pathways, the neural pathways that your brain can take. It increases communication within the brain. When you’re tightly grooved down a habit path, your brain fires because it knows this stimulus should produce this response and you just keep doing that over and over. When you want to break patterns, it’s difficult because your brain is so grooved that we’re just going to keep firing this pattern. If you try to switch it, we’re going to slide back into the groove because it’s the path of least resistance.

Microdosing practices or macrodosing practices can help you more radically shift those habit patterns and smooth out the grooves and start firing different habits. I’m working with the same kind of concept but just through repetition and through peak experience. Psychedelics are a peak experience.

You’re going to go out, you’re going to have that holy shit moment and then you’re going to come back and need to practice this re -grooving so that you can align with that peak experience. Trauma is another peak experience where it creates that pathway really deep because it’s like this was a major thing we had to learn for survival.

So we’re going to groove that in. That’s essential to our survival. It’s going to be really hard to decondition that. And so if you can simulate more peak experiences, you’re going to have a better time shifting those grooves than if you’re just doing it through simple repetition, which works. It’s great. You just have to understand that habits take a long time to rewire if you’re doing just by repetition.

But if you can attach that to an elevated state, so pleasure, orgasm shuts down the default mode network almost completely and you’re just locked into the present moment, that becomes a pivotal shift where you can then say, okay, we’re going to visualize and imagine a different reality. And then our brain’s going to take that and say, let’s start showing up in that way.

[Y] Yes, that is intentional pleasure practicing. That’s sex magic, pussy magic, whatever you want to call it. I love it. It’s the time to encode what you desire, like the new you. But it’s also the time to experience and explore like, oh, I can like shift my identity this way. Like I feel a different aspect of myself that I, you know, that’s always been here. But I haven’t been able to feel it or access it before. Yeah, beautiful. You can only go as deep as you practice.

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Microdosing for Psychedelic-Assisted Sexual Healing

Deepen the Mind-Body Connection

1:06:15

[Y] Awesome. So what are some of the… like when you say micro dosing,
what are the psychedelics that you work with? Like not you, but your clients, what do they usually work with? What are we talking about here?

[J] Yeah, so we work with psilocybin. So micro dosing on magic mushrooms. And it’s usually like a 0.2 to a 0.5 dose point. It’s enough to just like feel like you’ve had a cup of coffee, but it’s a different sensation. Like you feel more focused, more connection. Sometimes like my experience with micro dosing is I want to be on the computer less, but I don’t mind like cleaning the house more. So it’s kind of like, we’ll align you with slightly different activities. It’s amazing for soothing anxiety.

It’s amazing for soothing depression and kind of just helping you slide out of those grooves in a very gentle way, ’cause it’s sub perceptible doses. So you’re not really like feeling the psychedelic effects until you get toward the threshold dose. And one of the most important practices that I have my clients do is journal how they’re feeling, because you can’t understand what’s changing within you, especially when it’s like these subtle changes. If you’re not measuring that, so you want to measure things like mood, we want to measure things like stress and sleep and just seeing how your patterns are affecting you and seeing what those little like granular alignments are, what you want to spend more time on, what feels like it’s more meaningful to you and then start to pattern different habits and that bring you toward those spaces.

Yeah, so it’s like becoming really a attuned to you, right, knowing what works for you, learning your body, learning, okay, this shifts my mood in this way.

[Y] It’s like optimizing. I love that, okay, awesome. awesome. And so what is the usual end goal and desired way of operating in life for your clients? I know this is a big question, but I’m thinking about, so like I know that you’re using the micro dosing and it’s not very noticeable, but it’s actually creating change. Are you ultimately wanting to get off the micro dosing and be able to do that on your own, to hold that new energy on your own? What does it look like, end results for your clients?

[J] Yeah, the micro dosing specifically, I mean, their desires are so, I wanna say like multi -plated, It’s not a word. They’re so varied.

[Y] I love making up words.

[J] I’m such a fan. A lot of times we’re working on pleasure specific stuff. So just like opening up more sensory experience, just being able to feel more in their body, being able to be more present. Micro dosing is really great at just like kind of helping train your brain mindfulness.

So you can almost look at it as like, the practices you get are the exercises and then the micro dose adds weight. So it’s just gonna help you get a little stronger, a little faster and to kind of remove some of the barriers that are making it a little bit stickier and a little bit harder. And so, yeah, we might micro dose, we have like a micro dose protocol for a specific length of time so that we can step into kind of the new, I’m gonna just like keep running with the strength metaphor, but I feel like I’m just gonna go like way too abstract. But so like if we’re working up toward, say like…

[Y] I don’t think it’s too abstract, people get that. Yeah, like you’re building your muscle. I think it’s so relevant.

[J] Yeah, you’re building. So it’s like, if it’s a pleasure muscle, you know, it’s like, I want to get to a certain point. It’s like, okay, we’re not just getting to that point with micro dosing. That doesn’t matter.

That’s just like a tool that we’re using to help get there. But a lot of that strength is coming from the practices that you’re doing. And the micro dose is helping you sink more deeply into those practices to experience them a little bit more fully because you’re again, your brain is getting a little jolt in what it can process. And so you don’t lose that when you stop micro dosing, you’ve built that muscle up to that point. So then if you want to continue another protocol, again, it’s just adding a little bit more weight, adding a little bit more juice, and then going up and repping those muscles.

[Y] Beautiful. Awesome. So it’s just like giving yourself a little, a little espresso shot, right? Or a little, you know, a little oomph to your pleasure practice. I love that. Beautiful. Yeah. Awesome. And so I can imagine that this is actually really, really supportive for specific groups as well.

Psychedelic Sensuality is especially for you if…

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Like who do you think really uniquely benefits from psychedelic sensuality who maybe won’t, wouldn’t feel met through other modalities or one that doesn’t involve micro dosing?

I think women who have a tendency to overthink and be in their head and has struggled to come into their body. Like that, that area is such a sweet spot because it will just give you that, that nudge to drop in out of your head into your body. You can definitely get in your head with psychedelics and that’s a practice. Like you have to practice coming out of that. Your body will be more awake. So sometimes it is easier to drop into it. Being able to add in elements for sensory experience that will bring you into a more present state is just so powerful.

And so I think you start to see the benefits really quickly in a group of women who are just like, one, as women we’re inundated with disempowered constructs and disempowered states. So all of my focus in my practice is getting women into more empowered states.

[Y] Yeah.

[J] The like just making that a little bit easier is such an advantage for high powered brain ladies.

[Y] I love that. I mean, I think that’s definitely the women who listen to this podcast too. It’s like, I used to be an overthinker if I’m not careful, especially when I go through whether it’s like a really intense, like intensity, I’ll just call it intensity in relationships, compulsive thinking or just like you’re unable to turn the brain off. So I could totally see that being very beneficial.

And this is a question that I have for you that you might not have the answer to. But it’s something that I get asked a lot. And I’m always like, what is a tool that’s gonna… I would love to be able to point people who come to me with this problem to someone.

So I got asked a lot about like help for people who are on medication for depression or something else that is essentially numbing their sensory input. So is that something that could help? Is that what psychedelics could help? But I’m not phrasing this correctly. Is psychedelics an option for them?

[J] Yeah, psychedelics are. The statistics that– I don’t think I’m gonna pull numbers out of my brain ’cause my brain does not work with numbers– but the stats on the success rate of psychedelics and helping people not just like manage depression but like completely change the relationship to it and move from I was identifying as a depressed person and now I don’t even have that identity anymore.

They are like a miracle medicine for that. And so for anxiety, like severe anxiety, OCD, depression, psychedelics can be really helpful.

And that’s kind of where my fascination between NLP and psychedelics intersects too is being able to shift out of the identity state of identifying with depression and being able to deploy a lot of mind, body, rewiring practices ’cause it’s again, depression is a practiced state. Like you’re…

[Y] Yes, 100%.

[J] From circumstances, it’s not a blame thing. There’s like circumstances that your body’s trying to survive and those are the mechanisms because well, there’s a lot of reasons but like we have a negativity bias for survival reasons and that can like lend itself really closely to becoming in a depressed state but depression is a state, not an identity. And so to shift out of that state, you can start to retrain your mind, body, connection and psychedelics are gonna make that a lot easier and NLP is really great for that too which is why I love the combination of the two of them.

[Y] Yes, so I would actually love to get into how they work together in your practice but I also wanna say like almost as if I could emphasize or highlight this portion of the audio because this is so, it’s so big and it’s, I’ve worked with clients who are on medication and it’s just, I could see where it’s like, they’re almost there but it’s like that piece of being able to let go.

Either we don’t have enough time or like it takes so much more time to rewire that using the mind, body, connection and it is effective but it just takes, it takes time so having something that can give you that boost and that advantage because it’s not, you know, I’m someone who actually you know I have a history of depression and it’s something that can get triggered if I experience trauma and all these things but I have so many amazing tools where I know how to manage it and I know how to pull myself out and I know how to reach for support but that’s not the case for everyone and you know just having something that gives you that little advantage I can’t tell you how like big that is so if this is you and you’re listening please contact Jessica, it’s huge, it’s huge and you know just like having something that’s like reliable because I’ve had breakthroughs with clients but it’s like because of the state where they’re just, they go back to the, oh but it’s not gonna work again I know we’ve had that breakthrough in that session but it’s not gonna happen again and like just like trying to breakthrough that thinking, yeah oh my goodness, you know.

So just having something to give yourself that advantage, give yourself the support that you need. Micro dosing an option for you talk about it with your. provider and reach out to Jessica

[J] and just keep in mind that everything that your brain is doing is a practice and give yourself grace because you know to be in a healing container for I don’t know how long you work with your clients but say it’s like six months but you’ve had you know 13 years of practice, deep depression, depressive states it is going to take time and those peak states, like a psychedelic peak experience there are other ways to get those peak states, can help you make a more radical shift much more quickly and then maintain it by repatterning but to give yourself grace because it’s not just like… it should be done.

We had an epiphany and now my life should be radically different, you know, as you say, it’s like it’s a conscious practice and it’s not necessarily an easy practice just because your muscles are conditioned in an opposite way. You’re needing to kind of not only build new muscles but work against the muscles that are pulling you back into that.

[Y] Yeah. – Oh, but it’s not gonna work for me. – Oh my goodness. And I think what’s been big for me is also releasing, like, oh, this almost makes me wanna cry, like, oh, like I should be able to do it. I should be able to do it on my own. And I, you know, I am so, I’m saying this as someone who I feel like largely I’ve had to, you know, do so much on my own, but it’s like letting go of that and like, oh my gosh, I am worthy of support. And everyone, everyone in the world has support. You know what? Don’t listen to anyone who says they’ve gotten anywhere on their own 100%. They’ve gotten there through support. So why not give yourself the support that you need whatever that looks like?

So I hope this conversation has also helped, you know, for anyone who was carrying like fears around psychedelics or micro dosing to just open this world up for you.

Psychedelic Sensuality & NLP

1:19:29

Okay, so let’s hear a little bit more about how psychedelics and NLP come together in your sensuality coaching.

[J] So a lot of the kind of science behind both are, like I said, linked to being able to see without constructs. And that for me is such a necessary starting point when we’re even talking about something as simple as like, you know, I want to experience stronger orgasms. You know, say your pleasure ceiling is just like not exactly where you want it to be.

The way that we work on expanding is by going into what the core beliefs are. And those are things that’ll come up in psychedelic states. Those are the things that we’ll discover through talking. So my background is as an English literature student. So I read, that’s why I like big books, like I read a lot. And I, in my sessions, we’ll write a lot. So I’ll be kind of like writing verbatim what a lot of my clients are saying. And then I go in and I look for patterns, which is what I’m acutely attuned toward. And so when we find a pattern, we can kind of say, these are all of the threads that this core belief is connecting to.

So if we can work on this core belief, you’re not only going to expand your pleasure ceiling, your confidence is going to go up because it’s attached to, you know, say it’s a core belief of I’m not worthy of pleasure, because that’s the cultural messaging and that’s the experience that you’ve had.

And it could also open up so much more around like feeling safe in your body. So we look for these patternings and work to decondition the mind and the body, the bodies holding onto stuff that your mind might think like, Oh, logically, I know I’m worthy of pleasure, but it’s not felt in my body. And so the neuro-linguistic programming also comes in where we’re working with mind body rewiring tools.

So essentially reframing and filling your mind with positive messaging. My whole thing is like affirmations are great if they’re tied to an emotional state to anchor it into the body. So we’ll do like dance integration, where it’s like, take your affirmation, take your mantra, take your intention and go dance what that feels like. What does it feel like to dance as a wildly orgasmic being? Right? Yeah. How does it feel to just sit there and do tapping? So we’ll do like EFT tapping. How does it feel to tap that into the cells of your body?

We’ll also do a lot of like audio reprogramming. So I’ll create custom audios for my clients just based on whatever stuff is coming up for them, where they can go on guided visualizations that the, I would say like one of the main modalities that I work in is taking a psychedelic state and just using what would happen in that format as a guided visualization. I did not explain that well, but basically it’s like having people.

[Y] No, I got it. Okay. Okay. So you experience your psychedelic experience and you’re reliving it as a visualization kind of thing or like translating what it could be like?

[J] Yeah. So like you, you don’t need to have had a psychedelic experience, but I’ll give you an audio that will simulate a psychedelic experience to reprogram something in your body.

[Y] Wait, are you going to seriously give me an audio? Because I just got really excited.

[J] I’ll send you an audio. I’ll send you an audio. Yeah, you just got yourself a custom audio.

[Y] Okay, yes. Thank you so much because I, I, one of the things I learned, so I studied with Layla Martin and she teaches this practice of like, I’m like trying to find the correct words because I love the wording, but it’s basically, oh, it’s like right on the cusp for me. But you’re essentially experiencing a substance without actually taking it.

So even as we’re talking about psychedelic experiences, I have a very active mind. And so I’m picturing all the like, oh, like, what would it feel like to feel my organs, to feel my skin for the first time.

And so I think we can experience at least a bit. I know it’s not probably going to be exactly like the real thing, but a piece of it just through visualization. So I think it’s really cool that you incorporate that.

[J] Yeah, yeah. I mean, there are studies that show that your brain activates in the same way if you’re like viewing something or reading something, which is like, I cried during commercials because I’m hypersensitive to like my brain’s just firing mirror neurons and saying like, this is my experience right now that I’m reading about or watching.

And so yeah, that’s exactly what I’m harnessing there is giving you that your brain is having that experience, you know, and especially great for people with active imaginations because you really get to stick into an experience–

[Y] I love that, that will be the psychedelics for me since, you know, just family history wise, I don’t want to play with it. Yeah. That is the experience that fits me. And I also feel like just because of my own practice, like, I would be totally open to experiencing heightened levels. So I’m very excited for that.

[J] Okay, you’ll have to let me know how it goes for you.

[Y] We’ll come back and we’ll talk about it. Oh, man, I’m just I’m so excited and like refreshed from our conversation. I love your approach to your work. And I love how personalized the experience is, you know, listeners, if you’re not a coach, the idea of like someone creating a customized audio, this is something I used to do for clients as well. It is such a sweet experience.

If you’re looking for someone to like literally take you step by step and really hold you through the process. Jessica is doing that, you know, she is here for you. So I love your approach to it. Like all the different things that you’re pulling on, NLP, how the nervous system works, our brains, also understanding how trauma is affecting our brains. All these things. Beautiful, tremendous. I love you. I love your work. I’m excited.

[J] I love you too. I’m so excited to share this conversation with you.

[Y] Okay, so let me think about, because I just have so many questions and I think we’re probably going to have to have another episode. I’ll probably have to re -listen to this and let it marinate. If you’d like to come back on, you are more than welcome because my worldview has been opened. I have a brand new take on life.

[J] Yes, that is, that’s one of the goals of psychedelics and the work that I do is again shattering that ceiling that’s bound by constructs. When we have these stories and narratives, we can’t see past them a lot of times to know what is out there and what’s possible for us. So you just, you’re doing, you’re doing it just by talking, talking about it with me.

[Y] I haven’t taken a single mushroom. So I hope listeners, I hope you’re having the same experience. Okay.

Surrendering While on a Psychedelic Trip – Jessica’s Most Exquisite Experiences…

1:27:28
So I have another question. I think we talked a little bit about your good psychedelic experiences. Have you ever had any that’s like really exquisite, really divine. I know you have an article on cosmic orgasms and I read through that and I loved it. I was like, ooh, I love, you know, I just love anyone having cosmic orgasms too. And I just, it’s a really juicy article. Please go check it out. I’ll have it linked in the show notes, but I also want to know, have you had experiences that were not so great or, you know, how do you manage like the variety?

Do you feel that your experiences are consistent the more that you’ve gotten, I guess, good at managing and knowing, okay, I can manage my experience by putting it on headphones or, you know, but yeah, for those of us who are like, okay, probably our first experience may not be a cosmic orgasm and it may not be like, you know, what should we expect? What’s the variation of experiences that people go through?

[J] That’s a great question. I like to call it like a psycho-notic adventure. It is a skill that you practice. So it’s like, you can get good at navigating the psychedelic states. Again, at higher doses, you’re a little bit more along for the ride.

The way that I view the dosages is akin to the white water rafting grading systems. You can kind of control your boat if you’re on a lower wave raft experience. My words were dying in my head. But if you, as you go up to more white water rapids, you’re like, I’m along for the ride. I know how to manage my state, but I am surrendering to the experience. And a lot of the variants and trips have been when I don’t surrender to the experience.

So either I’m expecting an outcome or if I’m clinging too tightly to chasing an idea or something. Let me put this into context.

So like, I’ve never had what I would say is a bad trip. I’ve had difficult trips. Trips that were just harder than others. The difficulty often comes up because so many synapses are firing in my brain and I’m such a problem solver. I’m such a thinker. I want to solve all of the world’s problems. And there’s sometimes something that can happen in psychedelics where you feel on the edge of epiphany. And so you kind of cling to what’s going to take you there and you can start like really just exercising your brain and you’re kind of spinning your wheels and then epiphany will move out.

I found that in those moments when I release a lot of that difficulty of “I know I’m so close,” — I’ve done it enough times and I know I’m not gonna get there to where I want to go and I’m just gonna surrender and release that. And that practice has been really powerful and important for me in negotiating my relationship to the downloads.

[Y] Chills, girl, chills, okay. So that actually is one of the, oh man, one of the key components that I like to incorporate in Pussy Academy and in all my work is like, you’re doing it not for the solution or even the orgasm or the peak experience. You’re doing it for the love of Pussy or in this case for the love of experiencing, for the love of being here. And that is such a juicy mind shift. And that just gave me an answer to a question that I was asking in meditation earlier today. So I’m gonna have to re-listen to this and hold on to that. Ooh, like just, I don’t know, existing. Right now this year for me has been learning how to, I wanna say be in my body on a daily basis and really allow every, like the things that I experienced in my pleasure practices to infuse my work, my experience, to infuse everything… My walks, going to the grocery store, or you name it. And like, where do I wanna rest my consciousness? How do I wanna approach life?

Because previously my life was all about meeting big goals, right? Like it was all about the grading and the like, you know, I’ll be successful when I achieve blah, blah, blah.

[J] Yes.

[Y] And I am finding I’m looking for the motivation, not looking for the motivation ’cause I’m very motivated but, oh, this is actually a question that I was asked when I was dating a few years ago. I met this guy who was very spiritual, but not very grounded, couldn’t really find a motivation to… he wanted to, you know, be of service or start coaching or something, but couldn’t really find the motivation to do it ’cause he just really loved being in that high ecstasy state. And he was just like, how are you able to do both? And honestly, looking back, it was just the residual, my perfectionism driving me…

(laughing) And, you know, from the awareness that I have now, I also know that I’ve been healing on, you know, just I don’t necessarily wanna go straight into the messiness of all the details, but I’ve been healing things from childhood where it’s like, oh my God, I see why I’ve been approaching life that way or see why I think I need to constantly be of service or be helping.

And I’ve been leaning out of that identity for me. And so now it’s like, where does the motivation to work or do anything come from, right? So it’s like shifting out of that perfectionist or work hard or whatever it is, where does the drive come from? And I think doing it for the love of experiencing, for the love of life or love of Pussy, for the love of joy, whatever it is, is the shift that I personally need. I don’t know, we just went off on a tangent, but, oh yes.

[J] And I love that ’cause you’re opening yourself up to so much more play, right? You’re opening yourself up to like that curiosity and that wonder and like, what happens if I go over here? What happens if I go over here? What happens if I step back from something I was holding on so tightly to? And like being willing to exist in that unknown is like, that’s a lot, that’s a brave step.

[Y] It is a lot, thank you. I’m feeling very seen in our conversation today. It has been a lot. You know, learning to rest with the unknown and to shift out of like the goal metric and to surrender really like you’re saying. Yeah. It’s huge. It’s huge. You could do it through pussy. You can do it through psychedelics.

[J] Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Y] I love it. I love it.

Explore Breakup Alchemy with Jessica Alfaqih

1:34:49

Okay. I know we have to talk about what you’re doing currently, which is helping women alchemize their breakup experiences. Yeah. Why don’t we get into it?

[J] Yeah. So, you know, I was kind of looking at where are our patterns the strongest? And I think that when we’re in relationship is when a lot of our childhood stuff comes up and it’s when a lot of our relationship stuff comes up. And breakups are a unique opportunity because they come with so much pain.

And so, like I said, our brains are grooved by repetition, but those peak experiences can allow us a moment to shift out of the groove and to really like utilize that raw energy and that raw power. And I went through a breakup fairly… like two years ago where the pain was intense. In my experience, my only way to do it is to go through it. Like my survival mechanism is freeze, not flight. I wish I was like a workaholic or like a workoutaholic, but I just like stone cold sober up and I go into let me use my tools. Let me develop more tools. Let me use these tools. Let me channel all of this pain into power. So I come out of this and like a radicalized like badass, you know, and I see so many women in particular, men do this too, we just white knuckle it through breakups, we just like hold on. We are like, I’m gonna get through this, I’m gonna, you know, distract myself when I need to, lean into friends when I need to, we have healthy and unhealthy coping mechanisms.

And that’s great, it gets us through the breakup. But there’s so much power and energy that’s being generated in that state that could be used toward this like radical readjustment to identity to relationship patterns to clearing all of the like childhood wounds that come up of like, I’m not good enough, I’m not lovable, I’m not worthy, I’m too much. And so I wanted to create a way that we could use one of the most painful times of our experience, loss and breakups, to step into this empowered state where you can look back and just say like, I’m so thankful that I went through that experience. Yeah, because now look at me.

[Y] Yes. You know, personally, it’s one of the things that I had a conversation with the Universe about. I’m like, can we break this? Because I, I understand that’s good for me. But I’m kind of tired of the breakup glow ups, is what I call them. Every breakup, I have a glow up. Because I do what you do, exactly what you say. But now,

[J] You’re like, “I’m done with the glow ups.”

[Y] Yes, I’m like, okay, I know I glow up, but I also can glow up without the breakup, Lord, Universe, like, can we work out a different system, but you’re absolutely right. Breakups are uniquely, you know, they give you that opportunity to see exactly — oftentimes — exactly what’s going wrong in your relationships and your way of relating to people. Usually, you know, traumatized selves come up, the fear of abandonment, all that pain. And that is a portal, it’s an opportunity to heal. And so it’s something that doesn’t come up every day. So it’s such a unique opportunity. If you’re in that state, I know it’s painful and having a container to do so is so helpful.

So how do you, yeah, I’m guessing it’s the same as what you’ve shared with us before, but I’m assuming in your breakup alchemy program, are you necessarily incorporating micro dosing or is this kind of separate from that? What can people expect?

[J] Yeah, all my work is separate from micro dosing unless you have a micro dosing practice or you’re interested in starting one. The way that I work with psychedelics is getting you into that psychedelic mind state and bringing psychedelic wisdom into the healing. So the breakup alchemy is essentially the same as just the way that I coach, which is a six month container. It’s one on one sessions where we’ll do a lot of like the talking to get the patterns coming out and to find those core wounds with weekly pleasure practices built in so that you’re processing actively and you’re also patterning in new habits and behaviors that allow you to show up differently. Yeah,

[Y] beautiful, beautiful. And so people don’t necessarily have to micro dose to work with you.

[J] Yeah, absolutely not.

[Y] Beautiful. So it’s just — if that’s something that you want to add, you can add it. Or if you’re already working with someone to do micro dosing… I got it now.

[J] I know it’s confusing. I mean, I really wanted to blend the two and just because the legality of it is still a little, not necessarily legal everywhere, I’ll be facilitating retreats in the future. Those will be like intense peak experiences because you’ll not only be doing a psychedelic healing session, but there will be like repatterning and reprogramming activities that you can participate in.

And so those are going to be juicy and amazing. So look for those in the future. I’ll send you an invite. You don’t necessarily have to do psychedelics there, but yeah.

[Y] – Amazing. I mean, I would love to. I mean, I still don’t think I will because of family history, but I love the healing space. And so where can we follow you on social just so that we have our ears to the ground and know about that retreat or when your program’s open?

[J] Yeah. So the best way to follow me is to go to my website and take my central archetype quiz and get on my mailing lists ’cause that’s where I’m the most active. I do have an Instagram and that is my name, @Jessica_Alfraqih. And you can look at the text to know how to spell that. And yeah, I’ll be announcing mostly through my email list, but probably on Instagram as well.

Sex while on Psychedelics

1:41:26

[Y] Okay, beautiful. – We’ll leave all those links below. And I know I would love to have you back on just to talk about intimacy and like sex while micro-dosing or even having a peak experience. ‘Cause that’s what came to mind as you were talking earlier. And I was like, ooh, I wanna learn more about that.

[J] And that is not talked about a lot. I have struggled to find stories about people having sex that are like, you know, that feel like they’re coming from a educational perspective especially.

[Y] Yeah, I mean, the reason it came to mind for me is because I feel like I often see it on social. Well, my question, I have another question. I feel like I’m asking you very basic questions.

[J] Cool.

[Y] I have a really basic girl question. Is weed considered a psychedelic? ‘Cause I group it into psychedelics, but I feel like it’s probably not. Is it?

[J] THC, I think has psychoactive compounds, but it’s not a psychedelic.

[Y] Okay.

[J] The psychedelics are mostly the psilocybin family, the LSD people, MDMA, and then people will group ketamine in there. I think ketamine is like its own special category, but the traditional psychedelics are the ones that give you… actually, let me just say this because the science aside, when we’re talking about people being concerned about like the intensity of a psychedelic experience, I find weed to be harder to control a lot of the times than like a psychedelic trip.

So there’s like being drunk, which is really hard to control weed, which is like can take me to some places where I’m like, I just wanna get off this ride.

[Y] Girl. (laughs)

[J] And then psychedelics where it’s like, okay. Edibles, I can’t believe that that was, those are so strong. Those are so, so strong.

[Y] We have to talk about that in the next episode because my experience was so bad.

[J] Yeah, wait a minute, I heard your podcast episode where you tried to record while you were high.

[Y] Oh my God, it was so bad.

[J] That’s so funny.

[Y] I would never, I would never do it again. I mean, I shouldn’t say I would never ’cause sometimes I feel the pull, but maybe it’s not specifically for that. Maybe I’ll try a little micro dosing. We gotta do something better. Okay, so what you’re saying is… all right. But I feel like people, they have sex a lot when they’re high or I’ve seen that a lot on social and so I’m curious, if that’s something that you know more about or would like to speak on, I’d love to hear a little bit more.

[J] Absolutely.

Closing Community Questions

1:44:33
[Y] Beautiful. So I would love to end the way that I am choosing to begin our live monthly gatherings, and it’s with three questions. So number one is what is something that you appreciate, whether right now in your life or in this moment. What is something that you’re appreciating?

[J] Well, this just hit me. I’m appreciating my ability to be flexible with my identity.

[Y] Ooh, I like that. I like that.

[J] Yeah, yeah. It’s, I’m stepping into some new projects and getting to like choose to say that I can do this because I’m this new person. That’s so powerful to me.

[Y] Yes, oh, I love that. I like that a lot. I’m feeling that out for myself. I’m getting distracted.

[J] Try on that thought.

[Y] These are great ideas. Okay, number two, what is a feeling that you’re having right now in your body, a sensation that you’re feeling?

[J] I feel so energized and so excited and energy is actually something that I struggle with. And so just like feeling so nourished by this conversation has been really, I feel so gifted.

[Y] Well, thank you so much for being here. We’re not done, you have another question, but I just want to say thank you. And I know you were like, oh, I’m nervous about speaking, but I’ve never seen someone speak so eloquently. You’re so masterful at what you do and you communicate it in a way that I feel like people who are new like myself can really understand and not feel as intimidated by such a big topic. So I want to commend you on that.

[J] Oh, great, thank you.

[Y] Number three, what is a desire that you have?

[J] Oh my gosh, can I just go here right now? I’m about to start my period and all I can think about is chocolate cake.

[Y] I was thinking of chocolate today, yes. I wish you to have chocolate cake.

[J] First thing I’m thinking, I will get it today. (laughing)

[Y] Oh, chocolate cake, chocolate in general. I love that.

[J] Chocolate.

[Y] And I have an additional question. I’m gonna add a fourth question for podcast guests. What is your current pleasure edge? What are you exploring right now?

[J] I’m exploring giving myself space and time for my own pleasure. So I do a lot of work with other people’s pleasure. I do a lot of learning about pleasure and I’m… it’s one of the things I help coach my clients through, is like giving themselves more time and more permission for pleasure. And now I’m needing to do that for myself.

[Y] Beautiful. Well, thank you so much, Jessica. Thank you for sharing with us.

[J] Thank you.

[Y] Thank you for opening our worlds. I mean, I still have more questions, but we’re gonna have to come back because you are just a beautiful world of wisdom. And I just love the way that you view the world. Thank you.

[J] Thank you so much. Let’s do a part two. Your podcast is such a gift. I love listening to it. I love the format of it. And I love the content you put out there.

Closing Remarks & Upcoming Events

1:47:46

[Y] Oh my goodness. So Jessica and I already have plans to come back and gift you another episode because I know, like me, you need more. (laughs) And we already have a topic in mind. So she’ll be back to discuss with us what it’s like to have sex on psychedelics and how to bring that energy into our sex life and intimacy with our partners.

So I’m really excited about that conversation. Now, if you would like to get your questions answered, comment them on the YouTube video for this podcast episode. If you’re not subscribed to my channel on YouTube, what are you doing? Come on. That’s just where all the goodness is now. So if you have not heard, I’m really focusing on my YouTube channel.

So head to @yaniquebell on YouTube, look me up, I’m pretty easy to find and subscribe and you’ll see that we are also recording video podcast episodes so you can actually watch the video of the podcast episodes on the YouTube channel.

I also have weekly videos coming out, so just all the goodness is there. So you want to go ahead and subscribe, but please comment below and let me know what you would like me to ask Jessica when she comes back on.

And of course, definitely go and take Jessica’s quiz on her website. I love a good quiz and I actually just went ahead and took her sensual archetype quiz myself and my result is I am a cosmic sorceress, hello, mystical, empathic, visionary, very me. So I love it and I really love the imagery on this quiz and it just… it gives me like fantasy character vibes, like yes, I could totally see myself in this world. And so yeah, she gives tips on where your personal blocks may be and how to move on to the next level and some really cool insight about yourself and reading through mine.

1:50:00
It’s pretty spot on. So go ahead and take the quiz at Jessica Alfaqih — Alfaqih is spelled a l f a q i h — .com and yeah share your results, Comment your results. Reach out to Jessica if you’re interested in working with her and going deeper and definitely follow her on social. I myself will be looking out for that retreat that she has planned.

So all the details as always is in the description box, in the show notes, so you can see all of that on the site and wherever you’re listening. Thank you so much for coming on Jessica and popping my interview cherry. We actually popped each other’s cherries because this was my very first interview and I really loved it. I honestly was nervous because I’ve never obviously done an interview before. I’ve had the intention you guys have heard me talk about it but finally just decided let’s go for it. Let’s do it and it just came together so quickly and organically and just it was just a match made in pussy heaven.

So I’m really excited about it and looking forward to doing more interviews just like this and bringing these conversations to you. Of course our monthly podcast episode will come out in like another two weeks so my aim is to have a monthly episode out to you guys. That’s like a monthly solo episode. Just a Yanique original where we just talk about things and we dive into pussy consciousness and evolving and orgasmic mastery and all that good stuff right.

So you can expect that once a month but between those episodes I’d love to throw in these bonus interviews or we’ll see… I’ll get creative. I gotta see what other segments I would like to add but look out for these bonus additions to enter our flow as well. If you are at the edge of your seat and you just can’t wait for that monthly release well I have weekly videos on YouTube now so hello come subscribe or better yet make sure you grab your Sensual Refresher Kit with five pussy-tingling practices to reconnect to your sensuality and really come back home to you. So we’ve got a pussy massage practice in there. Oh sex magic is also in there.

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Our monthly live is coming up. We have a monthly live gathering that’s completely free to everyone in the community, everyone on the email list. So when you sign up for your Sensual Refresher Kit you will also get your invitation to join us live every month and we’ll do a practice from the kit and you know bonus stuff.

I like to add a little pizzazz. You know me. Can’t do the same thing every day. So if you want some laser coaching, community support, and just be able to practice and experience the work live come and join us there.

So, you only have one action step, really. Get your Sensual Refresher Kit and you’re set. Join us and we’ll see you either on the YouTube channel, come and comment, let Jessica know what you want her to answer next, or we’ll see you live at our next community gathering which is coming up very very quickly on November 7th.

So heads up, eyes peeled, grab your goodies. I love you, hope your interest is piqued, and the psychedelic world, how absolutely cool was this. Oh yes, so this was also Jessica’s first interview as well, so please go and share some love for her, let her know how, amazing it was for you to listen, because honestly, being a coach and putting yourself out there, it can be terrifying, it can be scary, you know, it’s one of things that have held me back even with you guys, like, the fear of being seen, of being judged, all that stuff, and so hearing back and just knowing that people appreciated you and appreciated your message is just chef’s kiss.

That’s what we’re here to do, support and lift each other up, so please go ahead and give her some love on the YouTube channel, wherever you’re listening, maybe leave a review of the podcast, wherever you’re tuning in from. I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, have a wonderful Halloween, don’t overdo it on the sugar, don’t become a candy fiend, I love you, see you next month, or next week, see you when I see you!

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